Forum:Collectibles

Here is my case for individual Collectible Devices. 1. This is the RangerWiki, a wiki for Power Rangers/Super Sentai. This is not Wikipedia, where they have to juggle Rangers alongside species of Theropod, football pitch-sized asteroids, islands in the South Pacific, 13th century Swedish kings, World Cup matches and Eurovision entries. The way I see it, pretty much anything relevant to our franchises, most certainly something that is a constant throughout the series, should be documented as extensively as they can, no matter how "minute" they may be. Indeed, Tokusatsu wikis have grown, perhaps not as much as they could and should have, while ironically toku-themed pages in particular on Wikipedia have been mercilessly "trimmed". An equivalent to Wikipedia's notability policy should not exist here; infact, as far I can see, it currently does not, at least Officially.

2. The one and most common objection directed towards the content in question that I am creating is that they will never be anything more than a "perpetual stub". To anyone who really looks at what I am doing, this is blatantly untrue. Now, what is a stub? Officially, according to Wikia, the threshold for "stub length pages" is little as 300 bytes; that is, any page above 300 bytes in content is not a stub in the eyes of Wikia. Going beyond that, another test would be does the page's content fill a page on the screen. In the vast majority of what I have created, the answer is yes to both. Now, to the Ranger Keys... On the Metal Heroes Wiki, I created pages for the 16 as a test bed for the Ranger Keys here. Of these 16 keys, 6 appeared for a maximum 30 second cameo in one film, while the remaining 10 exist only as toys. However, even these pages are more than substantial; for instance, the currently stands at roughly 2,700 bytes, while Super Hero Taisen Z's  amounts to over 4,200 bytes. In the case of keys seen in Gokaiger, they would all be exponentially larger than even that. In an earlier argument which took place last year on the Kamen Rider Wiki, I distinctly recall asking for a fixed criteria to be set for stub pages, not necessarily as little as 300 bytes, only for my request to be ignored. Now I must insist: if you are going to threaten to block people for creating so-called "stub" pages, which is already an outrageously draconian attitude to take on a Wiki in my opinion, you must set a fixed and explicit standard, as much as I would like to avoid a "notability policy", lest people be blocked for no reason other than the whims of others. A very serious problem that has plagued this family of Wikis for many years is that there seems to be a number of unofficial "rules" which are written nowhere but within people's heads.

3. The simple fact is that a great many pages for collectibles do already exist and have done for years.
 * The pages for the auxiliary RyuSouls are pretty much equivalent to various Form pages which are commonplace on the Rider Wiki
 * Pages for Legend exist as.
 * Pages for the vast majority of (at least the  60) exist as the  articles.
 * Pages for the vast majority of Kyutama exist as the Kyutama Systems.
 * More or less all exist as  pages.
 * Pretty much all exist as  pages.
 * The vast majority of exist as  pages.
 * The vast majority of (at least the Fourze 40) exist as  articles.
 * Pages for and  could be created using Build's principle (W Halfs and OOO Parts).
 * Pages for individual would be as valid as Ranger Keys.
 * Pages for technique trinkets such as and the various Phase 1 (/, ) and pre-Gokaiger Sentai (Souls, Secret Disks, Gosei Cards) collectibles could easily become their own substantial pages as evidenced by the example of the Nin Shuriken.

4. This is really an adendum to the first point, but common and repeated lines of objection are "this is not needed" or "this is unnecessary" with hardly any legitimate argument against the content other than I do not want this so no one else should or more accurately I am not interested in this so no one else should be. Kindly remember that this is a community encyclopedia which caters to an entire fandom; quite frankly who is any one of us to willfully refuse and deprive readers of information, this is an attitude very unbecoming of Wikia editors I must say. In any case, this content only adds to this Wiki, it does nothing to detract from or harm it. I get the idea that some people object to this content for no real reason other than an unwillingness to put work into it themselves; in which case, no one person's work is demanded as is the nature of Wikia, remember this is all voluntary.

5. One argument, in regards to the individual Ranger Keys, is that they are adequately covered in the page Ranger Keys or, failing that, in the "Ranger Key" section of the character they are derived from. Quite frankly, the first point could not be further from reality in my view; without pages for individual collectibles, a page such as Ranger Keys would be hundreds of pages woefully compressed into one. "Ranger Key" sections are slightly better however, a section, by definition cannot hope to provide coverage equal to a seperate page. Infact, it may be an idea to trim these sections as their pages are created; for instance, a list of times a key has been used for Gokai Changes may not be strictly relevant to the character they are derived from. Really, a "Legend Devices" section should be little more than a gallery as the characters have the whole rest of their page to think about.

6. A more recent development is the establishment of an Official Japanese Kamen Rider Encyclopedia. Currently covering ', they have ambitions to expand further into the '. Of particular interest is that they are much less restrained in their coverage of items. For example, the Low Rabbit Fullbottle, which appears in only one episode of Build, gets its own page. We really should take heed from this encyclopedia, straight from the creators of Kamen Rider. I don't know about you all, but I would find it very hard to reconcile the restraints of our Wikis when an Official Encyclopedia has no such reservations.

7. To hold back on collectibles goes against the very nature of the shows we cover, in particular the Phase 2 Heisei Kamen Rider Series. In each and every modern episode and film, countless things are done with collectibles, they constantly change hands. And of course, they are also toys. There is a whole history, both in-universe and in reality, behind each and every one. In a sense they are just as valid as the characters who use them.

8. I do appreciate that the content I have recently created may prove overwhelming to evaluate. With that in mind, I have a selection of pages which I nominate as model examples of Collectible pages. The three legend Nin Shuriken (Kakuranger, Hurricaneger, and Jiraiya), for instance, are more than substantial and are indisputably covered more on their own page than they could hope to be on the Nin Shuriken page or on Sasuke and Yousuke Shiina. A more recent example is the auxiliary RyuSouls of the ongoing Ryusoulger; even after the first handful of episodes, they are quite substantial, and will only grow bigger and bigger as the series does. Ironically, for all their controversy, the Ranger Keys themselves are by far the most worthy; they are Gokai Change forms, instruments for mecha and, in many instances, warriors themselves. Quite frankly it is a great shame to this Wiki they were not all been created eight years ago when Gokaiger was still on the air.

9. To whom it may concern, it is both ridiculous and slanderous to brand legitimate encyclopedic content as "vandalism" just because you happen to think that it is "not needed." --MrThermomanPreacher (talk) 17:12, May 16, 2019 (UTC)